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Note:Love Fraudspoilers ahead.
During the finale, which aired Sunday night, that desire was finally satisfied.
I want to actually start at the end.
How did you track him down again?
I assume you had the private investigators working on it.Rachel Grady:We hired new private investigators.
He had just gotten out of jail.
He went to jail in Iowa.
But he ended up doing his time in Iowa, and then went to a halfway house in Kansas.
I knew that because he called me when he got out.
Oh, really?RG:Yeah.
He really thought that he had me in the palm of his hand.
And then he disappeared.
Do you know whether he has watched the docuseries?Heidi Ewing:Oh, were hearing things.
I thought he was weird.
We knew something was weird.
I said, Yes, I think hes dangerous.
So she communicated with her sister, and her sister watched the trailer and everything and confronted him.
He had seen that and he knew it was coming.
He sat with us for three hours and hed seen some of the promotions.
She confronted him and he had said it was a witch hunt and all that sort of thing.
So I know that was in July.
Then there was another woman that reached out.
Yes, he knows its on.
We dont know if he sat and watched it.
Hes not reached out to us, which is interesting, because he could.
He knows how to find us.
We were expecting to hear from him at some point, but we havent.
It sounds like hes still trying to have multiple relationships.HE:Absolutely.
I think thats pretty much been confirmed.
I dont think his habits have changed at all.
I want to ask you about the interview that you did with Rick when he was in prison.
How difficult was it to persuade him to do this?RG:Not difficult at all.
He called me the day he received the letter.
I said, Great, Ill set it up with the jail.
It took a while to set it up with the jail.
He was ready to go.
Were not psychologists, but sociopathic, narcissist tendencies were called out most of the time.
It was very hard to get a straight answer out of him.
What you see in the series are the straightest answers that we got.
So on some level, we really, really knew him well.
We knew all the relationships hed had.
We were quite prepared to talk to him from that perspective.
But on the other hand, we had never met anyone like him, so he was completely surprising.
When people are lying to your face, its always destabilizing.
It messes you up.
Because there was a lot of double talk and stuff.
Which seems like the easiest possible question a person could be asked.HE:It was pretty epic.
RG:We found another wife after.
After that conversation?RG:Yes.
We found her wedding certificate.
So I bet we get more.
WowRG:Well see.
I think he might not have known who came first or second.
Theres a lot to keep track of, and he was married to multiple people at the same time.
There were elements of his story that reminded me of President Trump.
RG:I dont think its a coincidence.
HE:We were like, Oh, he just did all of our work for us.
He himself now is comparing himself to Donald Trump.
We were like, All right, thats one less thing we have to do.
RG:I think he can relate to him.
HE:Theres a whole species of men who admire Donald Trump.
[Ricks] favorite book isThe 7 Habits of Highly Effective People.
He literally had the audacity to read out of the book to us, his favorite chapters.
Hes mansplaining to two successful women, while in a prison jumpsuit, how to be successful.
He sees no irony here at all.
Is one of you crouched down in the backseat of the car filming while this is happening?
How did that work?RG:Yes, I had to do it.
It was two cars and two directors in the backseat of each car.
It was very complicated to get into position for that.
It took weeks and weeks of trying to figure it out.
The whole thing was a goddamned miracle.
Are you still in touch with some of the women that were in the series?RG:Yeah.
All of the Kansas ladies and also Carla, the bounty hunter.
Shes been just beside herself as this aired.
Its just been, I think, incredibly cathartic for them to have this air.
Obviously these women were determined to find this guy.
They felt like their lives had been robbed from them, for good reason.
But he wasnt in jail for very long.
A lot of people had judged them.
He did not get the justice he deserved.
The justice system isnt capable of giving him the justice this man deserves.
These crimes are not taken seriously enough, which I think is a certain subtext of the series.
But in a way, the series itself is the justice.
HE:It is a funny question.
Hes looking in his rearview mirror: Goddamn it, just going to fucking Wendys today.
HE:We feel like we know that the ending is accurate.
Hes still at it.
He was still at it when we finished production.
He was still at it when we premiered at Sundance.
He was still at it last week.
Maybe someone will bring more serious charges.
It was one of those things where you knew youd shot the last thing you were going to shoot.
RG:But there are other kinds of love frauds.
HE:Yeah, we would do another season on a different story.
But not on this guy.
We have a whole tip sheet that were keeping now because I get them on Twitter.
We get them on Facebook.
We get them in texts.
A lot of people have.
Oh, Ive got one for you.
Its shocking, actually.
This interview has been edited and condensed.
