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(The CDC recommends people wear a mask anywhere they will be around other people.)
At another point, Jones exaggerates an incident in which an oral vaccine caused polio in recipients.
We obviously review all the content that goes up he said.
It doesnt matter if youre Joe Rogan or anyone else.
One of those talking points was the aforementioned lean on content policy consistency.
Lets pull back for a second.
Now, I dont believe theres any future in which Spotify does anything to rock the Joe Rogan boat.
At the beginning of a tech platform, we mostly just see that company as infrastructure.
It is a tool that helps put a thing into the world.
The early days of Twitter, certainly.
That early stage is the Wild West.
As the years go on, these platforms get bigger and more powerful.
This is all preamble to talk about where Spotify is right now.
We saw this with Alex Jones when they took him off the platform a few years ago.
For the most part, though, Spotify has been generally reluctant to intervene in things like this.
It hasnt been a major scandal.
I think youre going to start to see that turn with the Joe Rogan thing.
This is their show pony.
This is their biggest original content deal ever, and he is a problematic figure.
HP: What does it mean to be responsible for Rogan?
That should be a process that involves a lot of stakeholders and a lot of thought.
They should be bringing in people who have worked on this issue for other platforms.
They need to be gaming out scenarios.
Of course, maybe that wont happen.
But right now, I dont see a world in which it doesnt.
HP: I get the sense from what youre saying that there are two layers to dig through here.
I would start there.
And thats exactly what they did.
Thats just not whats going to happen here.
HP: Who would be the key player within Spotify to watch on this specific issue moving forward?
The weird thing about Trust and Safety is that its a baby industry.
There wasnt a professional trade association for employees working in Trust and Safety until this year.
It was founded by this woman named Clara Tsao, who is a really interesting thinker.
Content moderation is usually a backwater.
My sense is that Spotify doesnt really have a Trust and Safety team or equivalent.
Im sure they have people working on these issues, but the question is whether they are empowered.
I believe there hasnt been real community standards set for podcasters on the platform just yet.
Will they undertake a real process to carve out actual community standards?
HP: Does it bother you to keep seeing this story play out over and over again?
Newton: Nah, it just makes me excited.
I dont actually have to do a lot of work.
Its just, Were in act one now, class, anybody wants to guess what happens next?
For this Jones-Rogan situation, Im not really that bothered.
There are other ones that have definitely bothered me way more, a lot of it on Facebook.
And I started thinking about that for myself.
But if you apply that framework to listeners of these other kinds of podcasts… Will Spotify intervene there?
That, I think, is the bigger and more interesting question.
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Another driving force behind the founding ofConstellationsthat really intrigued me was burnout.
We saw a lot of our peers becoming really burnt out, Macklem said.
Im very familiar with this dynamic.
